INTERSTELLAR with Pat Junior and Lxnny
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Christopher Nolan's space epic Interstellar reveals itself as a profound meditation on parenthood when viewed through the lens of fatherhood, with the film's spectacular visuals and complex time concepts serving as backdrop to a deeply human story about legacy and love.
• Pat Junior and Lxnny return to discuss their shared love for Interstellar from new perspectives
• Seeing the film as a father changes everything – it's less about space and more about affecting your child's future
• "Once you're a parent, you're the ghost of your children's future" emerges as a central theme
• Christopher Nolan as a "visual poet" who carefully crafts his surrealistic imagery
• Hans Zimmer's score creates perfect emotional resonance through percussion and vintage organ sounds
• The theory of relativity and time as major fascinations for both the filmmakers and guests
• Tom versus Murph represent different ways of dealing with the past – being consumed by dust versus learning from it
• Growth is not linear – in filmmaking, parenting, or creative pursuits
• What we leave behind when we're "dust" matters more than global recognition
Pat Junior's music
Lxnny's music
TRANSCRIPT
Taylor D. Adams: 1:14
Hi there and welcome to season five of the Film Nuts podcast. I'm your host, taylor D Adams, a filmmaker and storyteller who loves to talk to folks about why we love what we watch. I'm so excited for y'all to join us this season, as we'll be doing some new, fun and different things to keep our fifth year fresh and interesting. I am someone who is constantly looking for different ways to do things. Whenever I feel stuck or stagnant in my work or life, I try to approach things from another angle. I think it's a great way to grow, to flex a creative muscle I was neglecting, or to practice gratitude for what I have. It's also a way to better express myself, either through art or through conversation. When we take the road less traveled, the destination might surprise us. So what is a different way to tell a story about being a father?
Taylor D. Adams: 2:12
Christopher Nolan's space epic Interstellar is an expansive celestial saga, grown from the seed, of being a parent. Within the fantastic visuals, a soaring score and complex space-time formula stuff, there's a heart to this movie filled with love. For many reasons, it is a favorite film of both of my guests today and if you've been with us for a while now, you'll recognize our friends, pat Jr and Lenny, both individual hip-hop artists who I have previously had on our show. Both of them have unique and complimentary things they appreciate about Interstellar, including the music of Hans Zimmer, the film's illustration of time and how nuts space can be. We chat about all of this, plus what will happen when we all eventually turn to dust. So our countdown starts now. Here's Pat Jr and Lenny talking about Interstellar on the film. Nuts podcast feels good to say again, it's great to have both you guys, uh, back on the show. I've had individual episodes with each of you. What was the episode we did? I can't remember. We did stranger than fiction, did we? Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
Taylor D. Adams: 3:28
Back in 2020. And then, lenny, we had you on for the Bear, yeah, not that long ago. Love that show.
Lxnny: 3:34
Shout out to cousin.
Taylor D. Adams: 3:36
So what's been new with?
Lxnny: 3:36
you guys since 2020?
Taylor D. Adams: 3:39
And I don't know since last year, two years ago, since 2020?
Pat Junior: 3:42
Yeah, tell me about something new you guys got going on.
Pat Junior: 3:47
I just started getting into I'm slowly tiptoeing into street wear and fashion aesthetic Fascinating. I started working with an embroidery shop 919 Embroidery. They've been around for years and so I'm working with them to help kind of build the business more. Yeah, these guys are are very much so, in my opinion, like best kept embroidery secret in north carolina. Okay, um, they are truly like master craftsmen with you know what they do embroidery wise and digitizing and what they can actually embroider on. Um, hence, you know, they've done my hat, you know, yeah, yeah, man, um, I owe you a hat too. That's coming soon. That's actually being worked on, but yeah, um, but yeah, so I've been working with them and and just getting into more like fashion, aesthetic, streetwear. It's kind of like what I'm creeping, kind of tiptoeing in slowly, but yeah, that outside of music, that's kind of been. That is a thing that I'm really into low key, but now I'm going to be more forthcoming with it, if you will. Awesome, yeah.
Taylor D. Adams: 5:08
Lonnie, what's good with you yeah.
Lxnny: 5:09
So, uh, for me, man, I feel like, uh, I've been like secretly, just like working on music, if you will, for a while, to where, um, now I'm just like getting geared and prepared to come out with a new project, um, outside of the one I just released.
Lxnny: 5:24
It's just like some things that I've been constantly working on and stuff that I've had, um, but right now I'm just trying to get like my foundation right, if you will, um, really just focused on like making sure I'm setting a good foundation to where I want, you know, things to go for my future, if you will like trying to create like a realistic stream of income from the art, um, because I feel like the music that I have in the tuck is just like some of the best stuff that I made to date.
Lxnny: 5:50
I feel like I'm in like a really great flow, creatively, confidently as well, to where it's like I'm just ready to showcase that and kind of get out of my little cave, if you will, and just like kind of stretch and just actually like be amongst the people and stop just like wiltering away. Just actually like be amongst the people and stop just like wiltering away, if you will. So, yeah, and that's like creating a world, you know, trying to step into actually events to have like discussion around my music so people can kind of get to know, like my thought process, getting back into you know the clothes, getting some good designs and creating a foundation in that space to allow for, you know, the possibility to where somebody you know one day can walk down the street and they can be wearing, you know, a full fit of all my stuff, bumping my stuff in the car and it's like I've created a whole lifestyle. So, yeah, that's where my head's at right now. That's very cool. This is this is good.
Taylor D. Adams: 6:46
I like this a lot, talking about this, similar things, and I think it's really great. Lenny, you're like one of the first people to reach back out to me after they've been a guest and have specifically said I would love to come back and talk about X.
Lxnny: 6:59
Oh, for real Okay.
Pat Junior: 7:01
Not like, hey, I'd love to come back.
Taylor D. Adams: 7:03
It's just like no, I just Interstellar back. Yeah, it's just like no, I I just interstellar. I want to talk about interstellar.
Pat Junior: 7:10
Yeah, and I immediately thought of pac, because I know it's one of pat's favorite movies, and so I was like this might be a really cool um episode to give both you guys talking about this kind of seminal christopher nolan work, yeah, um, so lenny for you what?
Taylor D. Adams: 7:25
why did you reach back out to me about Interstellar?
Lxnny: 7:27
Yeah, so I'm newly a father, so I just I got a 10 month old.
Pat Junior: 7:32
Thank you, appreciate it.
Lxnny: 7:33
Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. So I had like again when I randomly watched it, I watched it from now that lens as a dad and it. It brought like a just a different perspective to the entire movie and everything that kind of like tugged at the heartstrings even more. Um, and then outside of that, like really just from a strategic thing for you as well, like it was, uh, in the news, you know, with the re-release and stuff like that and I was like this might be something good for him to be able to talk about too.
Lxnny: 8:03
So I was just thinking about from that aspect. But you know I'm a big fan of nolan, so anytime it's like his, his movies are in conversation again, it kind of just brings the idea of like, hey, let me go watch that for the 30th time.
Taylor D. Adams: 8:14
Yeah, just get back that feeling, yeah so what about watching this movie now that you are a father? What, what, what? How did your view change?
Lxnny: 8:23
yeah, watching this movie because now, like I literally look at it, I thought about it as like a space movie. But now I'm like this is a movie about like a single dad just trying to like trying to affect his kid's future. It's like he's not, like he's not even really thinking about anybody else's feelings. It's literally just like their mom is gone and like I have to make sure that, even if I'm gone, like they're going to be good. So watching it with that like underlying, you know, like note to it if you will like, just change the whole perspective and like you see like the will and like the grit that he has in it.
Taylor D. Adams: 9:00
So it's cool One for you, one for me, when I'm up there in hyper sleep or traveling near the speed of light, or near a black hole. Time's going to change. For me, time's going to run more slowly Now, when we get back we're going to compare, time will run differently for us.
Lxnny: 9:26
Yeah, maybe by the time I get back.
Taylor D. Adams: 9:29
We might even be the same age, pat. What about you? I mean, I'm aware that this is one of your favorite movies since a couple years ago, but what is your reasoning behind why you love this movie?
Pat Junior: 9:40
I think more so. For me, it's the idea. I'm just a huge fan of movies that deal with the theory of relativity, Just time travel, and that just fascinates me. You know, back to the Future, the Edge of Tomorrow, deja Vu. I think Deja Vu is probably like one of my top tier favorites. I never imagined Denzel being in a time travel movie, which is pretty cool, and just the approach of it as far as the actual time travel is a little different. It's kind of unexpected to a degree. I also feel like Nolan. Just he's one of my favorite writers, one of my favorite directors, and I think there's this stream across all of his movies that deal with some idea of the theory of relativity.
Pat Junior: 10:38
So, he seems to be very fascinated with time and without jumping too far ahead, I think, watching this movie my dad wasn't in my life growing up. You know what I mean and you know I hope to be a father one day, but I also it reminded me of my granddad, without jumping too far ahead, thinking about him being he passed away some years back. Far ahead, thinking about him being he passed away some years back, but him being the ghost of my future. You know, um, as I continue to grow as a man, you know, thinking back on just the things he taught me as a kid and understanding them now as I get older, why he was so hard on me, why there were certain, you know, nuggets of wisdom instilled in me as a kid. It's almost as if he's still here through me. You know, especially I see that in as I'm having these conversations with guys that I mentor, either here or somewhere else, them looking up to me as like a big brother, you know, and I don't even for me shout out, shout out to those guys, but I never approached a relationship. I'm a big brother, dude, it's just. My mom is always, and I think that's just the nature of my family, my mom and my uncles, them being so, their parents raising them to be such ahead of their time like wisdom, wise. That's just how I've been, you know, grown into and I'm sharing with these.
Pat Junior: 12:33
You know guys and I sound old shit the things that I'm sharing with these younger guys. Just, you know about life. You know about how men, in particular. You know how to express your emotions. You know mature, wise. You know maturely if you will handle how to, how to handle your business. You know removing emotion from from business, yeah, you know. And so being able to teach younger guys about how to navigate especially this creative industry, it kind of reminds me of my grandfather, my current mentor. Now I feel like I've always been the guy who lends an ear, gives wisdom. But you are exactly where I was when I was that age and God kind of nudging me to be like yeah, this is your assignment, bro. Like you, he needs your guidance. You know he needs what you have to offer. So that's what you know. I would say. This film holds that special place in my heart, just off the thought of parents or guardians being the ghost of a child's future.
Taylor D. Adams: 14:02
It's not a ghost, it's gravity. Don't you get it yet? Tars, I brought myself here. We're here to communicate with the three-dimensional world.
Lxnny: 14:17
We're the bridge. I thought they chose me.
Taylor D. Adams: 14:32
They didn't choose me, they chose her. For what, cooper? To save the world. Yeah, I think this film is really interesting in the way that it kind of does that. There's this idea of you know, time not necessarily being like a linear thing, like the existence of people, the existence of thoughts kind of like, can all happen simultaneously, depending on how things are handed down like that. Yeah, um pat, do you remember that? Do you remember the first time you saw this movie?
Pat Junior: 15:07
Yeah, yes, I do. I was four years married. It was me and my wife. We went to go see the movie. She knows I've always been a big Nolan fan. Yeah, I remember seeing it. I was just blown away. I'm sorry I'm jumping ahead.
Taylor D. Adams: 15:26
Was that the question? Was that the end of the question? I mean you can answer. I'm jumping ahead. Was that the question? Was that the end of the question? I mean you can keep answering. Theoretically, I'd be like do you remember? And you'd be like, yeah, yeah.
Pat Junior: 15:37
I mean, I was blown away. I thought it was. You know, I actually watched it again last night just to be Because I've seen it. I think this is maybe my fourth or fifth time watching it. I tend not to watch movies like that multiple times you gotta let it simmer, you gotta let that. I never like. Is it because of its intense or the length? Just how intense.
Pat Junior: 16:01
it is okay. You know I I'm not the one to rewatch those kind of movies over and over and over again. It's an experience. You got to watch it, you got to sit with it for a while. You may watch it again, you may not, maybe a year later or two, or you may not, but a year later or two you see different things, you learn different things, things. But yeah, I just remember the first experience, uh experience being very, um, just wow. I mean that's the only way I can really put it yeah, just wow. You know, uh, I feel like Nolan.
Pat Junior: 16:41
Nolan is a visual poet. That's the best way that I could, you know, describe him. He's a visual poet. He, he, obviously, he has an incredible imagination the way he portrays or paints his surrealness and and just kind of gently guide you through his poetry line by line. You know, visually unpacking things and like for me, as someone who I read poetry, I love poetry, I love unpacking poetry and deciphering.
Pat Junior: 17:24
You know poets, or whatever their work, I mean just as a musician and aing. You know poets, or whatever their work, I mean just as a musician and a rapper, even someone who enjoys like music, that's just without any lyrics. You know, there's a visual conversation going on throughout the whole movie. Beyond the actual words, there are callbacks, very subtle callbacks. There's a lot of Easter eggs, very intentional Easter eggs that he plants throughout movies that are very subtle. It's not forced, but if you pay attention you'll see little things throughout the movie. Even when you look at Murph's room and the titles of the books that are shown in certain scenes it's like, oh shoot, this motherfucker really tapped in.
Pat Junior: 18:15
Like you know, literature-wise, and it also goes to show to me, or also shows me, the reflection you know, or just something to learn from as an artist, or the reflection of what it looks like to be inspired by several different genres to create your genre. Yeah Right, like he I'm sure there are other directors and writers or whatever that he's inspired by, but you know, like I can almost imagine he's inspired by, you know, music. He's inspired by literature, like obviously he is, because we see certain titles in, you know, on that bookshelf or in, you know, in the movie or what have you. So I didn't catch a lot of those things.
Pat Junior: 19:01
When I first saw it, it was definitely, uh, reminiscent of uhyssey 2001. Um, very reminiscent of that, because I've seen that movie when I was, when I was younger. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of callbacks to that, to that movie, which is in itself, it was obviously ahead of its time, but I like that was. But after I watched it my wife knows when I'm in the car and I don't talk about the movie I'm like wow.
Pat Junior: 19:37
I don't have any like I just got to sit with it.
Pat Junior: 19:40
I just have to sit in it because there's the theory of relativity layer. There's the theory of relativity layer, there is all the metaphors and meanings that he has throughout the film, even specific names that I'm catching on to, like Matt Damon's character man, his last name, and then even just the very upfront obvious, like Lenny was talking about. It's a movie about a father trying to look out for his kid and he also struggles with the fact that he's a father doing the right thing. You know the quote-unquote right thing. Right, like he's trying to figure it out. It's very obvious he's trying to figure it out.
Pat Junior: 20:32
Um, and, and I love that because not only is there there's a, there's a mirror or a parallel between time not being linear, but also for me, because I'm I'm very much so like advocate for therapy, mental health, like all that good stuff one of the things that I've been sitting with is growth is not linear. Like maturity, emotional growth is not linear. Sometimes it's. You know, you go to therapy, you talk about your traumas and you unpack all these things. You learn about your triggers and how to respond to different. You know experiences, but sometimes growth is taking five steps forward and four steps backwards. You know, no matter how experienced you are.
Pat Junior: 21:23
And so we even see throughout the movie Cooper making some mistakes, if you will. When, as I'm watching it, rewatching it and understanding more of the dynamic, like I wouldn't have gone to man's planet first, you know I have very much, so throughout my life been a more logical person, if you will. So the first time watching it, I'm like, oh yeah, now that makes sense. Like Cooper is doing the right thing. Like stop thinking, what's your emotion, brand? Like we going to mansplain it first, you know.
Pat Junior: 22:03
And it's like, looking back, I would have listened to Brandon and follow love, if you will to. Okay, now I understand completely what you're saying, why you're being pulled in this direction, because I am more tapped into who I am emotionally as a man. Yeah, I agree with you, we don't go this direction. So the first, the first watch of it was wow. But as I continued to watch it, just I began to see a lot more than he's a visual poet and poetry. If it's good poetry, if it's death there, then there's so much more to unpack over time yeah, yeah, thanks.
Taylor D. Adams: 22:43
Well, let me go to bachin. What was it?
Lxnny: 22:44
you were the first time you saw this yeah, I don't, I don't remember like uh, I don't remember if I really I'm pretty sure I went to the theater because I'm a super huge like Nolan fan, but I do remember. For me it was the the. It shifted the way I think about time, just watching the movie because, like I wasn't necessarily like researching, you know, I'm saying like the theory of relativity and all those types of things, but it's something I've always been like interested in. So when I went to see the movie, I was just interested in just a like nerd science, travel realm of things like oh, nolan's going down this direction, let's see where he goes.
Lxnny: 23:21
And just like the concept of like not only trying to figure out how to like save humanity, if you will, and like going on to like find these different planets and things like that to have the right habitat thing that can happen in this one place can cause this extensive ripple effect because of all these like different changes.
Lxnny: 23:50
And just like again like environments, if you will, because if you think about time, like that's a part of the environment, like you know, if it's 24 hours here and 64 hours here in a day, like those environments are different.
Lxnny: 24:00
So the fact that even that smoke, like you know, going back to watch it, talking about small, small details, like seeing stuff on Twitter. They were saying, like every time it's ticking, like that was like a day or like a year or something passing on that planet. So it's like and they're just trying to figure out how to get off, and it's like a some simple happens, yeah, and it's like all of a sudden you come back and like your son thinks you forgot about him and it's like, not even because, like, and it's like as a dad, you got to sit with that like and continue to go throughout this mission. And it's like my kid thinks I'm out here literally like risking my existence, but because of this mishap, like, my kid thinks that like I just don't care about him and stuff. Oh dear, oh say bye, bye grandpa, bye bye grandpa.
Taylor D. Adams: 24:45
Bye, bye, grandpa, it's okay. Sorry, it's been a while. It's uh, just oh, it's Jesse and all.
Lxnny: 25:01
Uh oh, grandpa died last week. We buried him out in the back 40 next to mom and Jesse, which is where we would have buried you if you'd ever come back. So it was interesting like watching it from that perspective and then now like going back, like I said, as a dad, and kind of understanding that. But, like you said, it was just like Nolan and the way he paints pictures is just like, like everything just makes sense, like it feels like when you're watching the movie, like it's like every scene is, it's important and it's pivotal, even if you don't understand it at the time, like as you go back and watch it, it's like it just, it all just like, coincides with each other to be this like beautiful, like long, just like dance, as far as the combination of like always pairing, like you know, the music and having Hans Zimmer like have this beautiful like soundscape amongst like these intense like scenes.
Lxnny: 25:58
The camera work is different. You know, like we he tries like different things, like I know he uses CGI, but trying to lessen certain scenarios, just try to create like the rawest like feeling and visual possible. So it's just like to be able to combine all that stuff that he naturally does with like a batman, if you will. And it's now we're taking it to like let's kind of like just nerd out real quick, like we're going to space. We got tars, you know what I mean. This like weird wonky guy like we're taking him space. We got tars, you know what I mean? This like weird wonky guy, like we're taking him and we're gonna go on like a different adventure.
Taylor D. Adams: 26:29
So yeah, um, yeah, man, shout out to no yeah, I mean, you're the phrase you guys have for uh, for no one warrants it for sure. And also, he co-wrote this movie with his brother, um jonathan, and they do a really great job of conveying just something so complex visually into, kind of um, into one cohesive story. Uh, as artists is there, is there a certain process that you guys need to go through when you think of like a complex idea or topic and try to condense it or distill it or at least convey it into, you know, a song or a lyric or a beat or something like that, yeah, I mean, I know for me, like I've realized just, uh, as a person, like in life, like when I over I'm an overthinker, like naturally, and for me it's kind of like my gift and curse.
Lxnny: 27:23
Um, it allows me to like think about things like very analytically and like really think about the details and like break it down to like an unnecessary level and like focus on it. But sometimes that can be to the detriment of like moving forward, if you will, and, um, like doubting, causing doubt. So for me I like to really just go through like a fluid, like kind of free form, like process, like I think I like to think of creating like as jazz, because I used I used to be in the jazz band and like really just like a solo, like you make sure you have like the certain kind of like techniques and things that you need, like a Kyrie Irving when it comes to the fundamentals, but like when you get on the court it's like let's just kind of see what happens. So when I have an idea, like I know I have like the principles that I want to stick with, like I know, like sonically, what I would always want to have, like it needs to just always sound lush and that's just from. Like you know my upbringing with music like no matter what, like I just need the music to just sound lush in some sort of way and the drums to like hit hard. And then I'm just like a visual person. So it's like for me to even think about the idea like being heard to somebody else, like it has to take me somewhere visually, just even as a listener of my own stuff, I have to be able to paint maybe a scene that Nola would do with this, like would this go well with the scene?
Lxnny: 28:42
So that's kind of like my thought process, like I would obviously like to talk about these luxurious things and like, um, kind of like wanting my stuff to be the, the thing that you play while you're on vacation, the thing that you're playing while you're making your vision board, the thing that you're playing while you're just reflecting and relaxing.
Lxnny: 29:00
So it's like it needs to match like the beautiful landscape of greenery, ocean, ocean views, cars. Like I want it to. No matter what that looks like to you and whatever you put together for that, I want you to be able to play this and it fit that picture. So that's like all the and from there it's just kind of like hey, let's put it together, let's see what it sounds like, I can walk away, go back, change it, go back, kind of think about what I can do better next time, kind of try it out, listen to it, see what happens. And then at some point you kind of stand back and look at the painting and be like OK, I think we did it, let's move on to the next canvas.
Taylor D. Adams: 29:37
Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot, Pat. Do you find it? Do you have like a similar approach when it comes to making your own?
Pat Junior: 29:50
comes to making your own. I mean, for me it's just where I am in life. You know, I think that I I do my best to, and I'm really appreciative of my mom growing up, you know, really pushing me to articulate my emotions and express how I feel. She let me cry as a kid, but not a whole lot, and she would just. No, I need you to explain why you're upset, like why are you crying? Like it wasn't a rhetorical question, like no, you need to explain why you're upset, you know.
Pat Junior: 30:26
And so for me, being that kid and having a mom that pushed me in that way, who exposed me to every genre of music growing up uh, from gospel to jazz, to classical, to hip-hop, obviously, to r&b like exposed me to every genre of music, and who used to, when I had presentations in school, like speaking presentations for a project or a book report or whatever would make me practice in front of her and say talk, like you're not reading the paper. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like I'm reading the paper no I need you to.
Pat Junior: 31:07
I need you to speak it like like you're not reading the paper, and I'm like what do you mean? Like I'm reading the paper? No, I need you to speak it like you're not reading from the paper, and so I like.
Taylor D. Adams: 31:12
I feel like a lot of adults need to practice that too. No facts, absolutely, absolutely.
Pat Junior: 31:17
And I'm super, super grateful for all of those things because, you know, I even having conversations with artists where it's like they have to memorize their verses before they record, because it's like, man, when I, when I memorize and I go rap it, it's, it's more emotion in it and I'm like, and my mom, I'm like, am I weird? It's like, well, I don't have to do that I do not do that at all.
Lxnny: 31:44
I don't have to do that. I do not do that at all.
Pat Junior: 31:46
I don't have to do that because my mom actually taught, pushed me all of my childhood to read, like I'm not reading from the paper, and I like. As far as the music is concerned, it's just where I am in life, my, my music is very reflective, reflective of life and where I am. There might be a gritty era, like we saw with the Grill Talk mixtape, which I think really established a lot of it, really, I would say, established my brand as an artist even more, and forced it, I should say. But you know, this newer era that I'm in, it's a little bit more light-hearted, you know, or it's or actually I would say it's a juxtaposition of the two, where it's light-hearted and pinging between light-hearted, laid-back and that more gritty, you know, more edgier, if you will sound like and, and that's where I am now as as a human being.
Pat Junior: 32:47
I'm like I said, growth is not linear. You know, um, emotional growth is not linear. I I have a synesthesia I think that's how you say it where when I see images or I hear music, I see colors and images and vice versa. So if the colors feel right, if, if the palette works that I'm seeing, um, and it matches how I'm feeling. That's when I know that I have what I need. Yeah, um, because I am a person or I, I would say I used to be a person that would overthink, you know, even some of my writing. Um, because I, I know people have the notion that rap is a sport, it's competitive or what have you and I'm like I guess, but it's also an avenue for creativity yeah, and just pure and I think friendly competition is good amongst you know, peers, that you know.
Pat Junior: 33:48
But it's also my form of expression and my expression is sacred and I don't necessarily have to compete with your form of expression, because I am, I'm already competing within myself, because I'm already competing within myself, I'm already competing within my heart, I'm already competing spiritually against myself and you know, for me it's a form of expression in hopes that it will resonate with somebody, wherever they are in life. When I hear things like you write stuff or rap things that I only think in my head and I I don't have the nuts to say out loud or I don't have the gall to say it out loud, that's when I know, okay, I'm right, where I'm supposed to be, um, and so that's, that's where I am creatively, where it's like don't get get me wrong Like I watched battle rap, I'm a I'm a battle rap fan, like I love that kind of rap. You know, I think there's a time and place for that. But when it comes to purely my expression, um, I'm, I'm creating and making where I, where I am in life, and if that has me, go back and tell a story to bring somebody up to speed or to, I guess, show the growth or express where I am now, or just to tell about myself and the music to make, I guess, to make a point or drive home something that's on my heart. Yeah, you know, I'll live in the past for a bit, if you will. And then sometimes I speak from other perspectives, which I'm tapping into more now, speaking as someone else, or speaking as somebody who's living in the future, where I want to see myself, where I want to see my peers, where I want to see relationships, etc. Etc. So, yeah, the tango is hard to describe unless you know how to tango.
Pat Junior: 35:54
It's just all of these different emotions and colors and genres of art coming together to make up my music, especially because I'm a lover of poetry and words are very important to me. How they're, how they're said, um, the words you actually use, um, good, negative, whatever, like. Words are very important and I'm still learning the depth and power of words. I'm forever learning that and so you know I. Now my approach is like if it feels a little complex, then I don't care. This is what. This is how I'm feeling right now. You know I'm like I'm not. I'm not. I do keep in mind when I'm writing is like I'm writing to be understood, but also I'm a poet and sometimes there's some deeper meanings and deeper layers that you won't understand. The first, second or third time, but maybe the fourth time, after watching a certain movie and playing a certain video game, you'll be like, oh shoot yeah yeah, so that's.
Taylor D. Adams: 37:11
That's where I am with creativity right now okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, I mean, from the way you guys are talking about creating art and the way that we kind of already talked about how basically no one is inspired by a bunch of different things every artist is inspired by an artist that like came before them.
Taylor D. Adams: 37:27
And so it becomes kind of already talked about how basically no one is inspired by a bunch of different things. Every artist is inspired by an artist that like came before them. Absolutely, it becomes kind of this pattern, this part of like creative flow, and I mean you know Hans Zimmer's great.
Pat Junior: 37:39
Like this is like. This is not a hot take. We know he's very good at what he does.
Taylor D. Adams: 37:42
This score from him really stands out to me, yes, and I really enjoyed it. I think I recently read something, or heard an interview where he Nolan reached out to him. He's like hey, you know, I need you, I need you, I need you to make some music for me. Dynamic duo right.
Taylor D. Adams: 38:02
Yeah, it was a great dynamic duo. And basically what was happening was he told, you know, he told, uh, no one told zimmer the concept of, of interstellar the story. And then you know, um, zimmer came up with a really like simple, just kind of piano, melody, melody, um, about, uh, about being a parent, yeah, basically. And it was when no one heard just that piano for the first time that no one then realized what the heart of his space opera was.
Lxnny: 38:32
Absolutely.
Taylor D. Adams: 38:34
Which I think is really cool about how music can provide a whole other layer to anything Absolutely so like. Is there something specific about this score that stands out to either of you?
Pat Junior: 38:49
Yeah, there's a lot of percussion, either with drums or the piano being percussive, and there's like which it keeps the momentum of the film, but also there's like this, this stumbling, if you will, of trying to figure it out, like changing on the whim. Oh, this didn't work, you know, especially when you I feel like I first realized it when there, by the way, young Timothy, Facts I noticed that on the rewatch too.
Pat Junior: 39:39
I'm like yo who is this guy that's crazy, didn't even didn't, even, yeah, that's crazy, but it's just cool to see him where he is now and then see him as a kid, yeah. But when they're driving in the truck and I think they're headed to a parent teacher conference, or he's headed to a parent teacher conference, cooper is and then all of a sudden the drone comes out of nowhere. Indian Air Force drone solar cells can power an entire farm go, go go get that aim right at it Faster, Tom.
Taylor D. Adams: 40:36
I'm losing it Right at it. Stay on it. Here we go here we go.
Pat Junior: 40:45
So there's always to me this shift in momentum or this stumbling of like going off course for a little bit and then coming back on course, and then going off course for a little bit and then coming back on course with you know, time is not linear, but that emotional um, like unlinear, like behavior where it's like you know you're going off course to get back on course, and I feel like the biggest boomerang is the whole time. The biggest boomerang is the, the whole concept of the bulk beings, right, where you think that these beings are celestial or they're aliens or what have you, when in actuality it's the evolved human beings who reached back in time. Like we didn't get it right. Let's go backwards a little bit, right, taking so many steps forward and then taking hundreds of steps back to be like let's do this over sort of speak and and and I still, I'm still trying to figure that out whether it's like are they from another timeline? Or like what? But whatever, um, but just um.
Pat Junior: 42:08
I really love the percussive elements where, if it's not drums because there weren't really a lot of drums used at all in this score, if I recall it's more so the melodic elements, mainly the piano being very percussive in a way, in a, if you will, where it's a stumbling of being on course, going off course, coming back. There's always momentum, and then I really love the fact that they used that uh, that hans zimmer used the uh, there's a lot of. This is one mint, um, vintage synth that he's using. I can't remember the name of it, but it feels like an organ, it's a synth organ. So it's a vintage synth organ being blended with like modern. To me. I love when the juxtaposition of using old and new together to create this thing.
Pat Junior: 43:03
That's not. It's like polished but textured, yeah, like it's very fresh. It sounds familiar, but it's different. It's very fresh in its own way and that's what I admire. Sound-wise, as I'm watching it again, it's just like that percussive movement is everything. It's very reminiscent of like now, where in rap you have the more the newer thing now to do, which it's. It's become a trend now because it's gotten super popular, but it was already a thing where rappers are rapping on you know beats, if you will, with no drums.
Pat Junior: 43:44
It's just it's just a sample or it's not a sample. It's something that somebody created. But if you have a good internal clock, you can hear the pockets, the different pockets you can hear as a rapper and become the percussive element on on on the song. So that's what it reminded me of yeah, yeah yeah and um, yeah, I I agree with that.
Lxnny: 44:07
Like the the big thing for me when I watch uh like movies and when it's things from like hans zimmer even, um, it's I'm just lost on me what his name is right now but uh, the guy who does star wars, but um, john williams yeah um, it's really like the feeling that it evokes for me.
Lxnny: 44:26
Yeah, um, that's kind of like my uh, like north star, if you will. Um, for like anything creatively and like what really like hits home. I remember being in the jazz band in high school and like hearing this dude do a solo for moonlight serenade and it's like the way he specifically played on that soprano sax like I remember looking it up on youtube and stuff and it's like the people who originally like they like the feeling that he put into that, like created it, like just I don't know, it was absolutely insane, yeah, and ever since that moment, that's kind of it's created that as a north star and it's like that feeling of like they did a good job of, like like once you start thinking and it's like the room just lifts and starts to spin and now you just get lost in your thoughts of like huh, but what if we did this? What if it's like that's what all of the, the music, even the scene where he's talking about what they? They go off the course literally with the truck and just drive into the cornfield truck's got a flat tire.
Lxnny: 45:21
Like everything that's happening in this moment is chaos, like they're supposed to be going to school. We're already late for school because of the flat tire. Now we're probably not going to school because we're chasing this truck. We're not on the road anymore. We're driving in this but it feels right. But it feels right, but 15 year olds driving shouldn't be driving, like everything about it is chaotic but you're in the moment of like whoa, but what is that like? We're all curious, like let's figure this out.
Lxnny: 45:46
So he did a good job of painting that and creating that dance, like with the instruments, to where it's like the violin is like he said, with the staccato and being like percussive, and then you have the piano that might have like some lush parts to where it feels like whoever's playing, it is just kind of it feels like this, this, you like this concoction of music that again feels chaotic, but there is this common thread that's keeping it together, and I always say it all the time I run into the ground, but I just feel like that's why everything is jazz. It's just this expression of just pure feeling. Feeling, if you will and um.
Pat Junior: 46:28
That's a dope album. Title everything is jazz yeah you better credit me.
Lxnny: 46:33
Actually I got you, but yeah, so that's uh. That's that's what I love like about watching it, because it's like, as soon as, like the dialogue is great and as something does happen and click within the dialogue, that you naturally your brain is like wait a minute, where is this about to go? Like the music like lifts you and takes you on that journey with like the whole movie of like whoa, oh crap, like this is oh crap. You feel like, like, even when he's in the um, like when he's falling in the uh, the fourth dimension, it's like. You feel like. It's like, oh my gosh, you feel like you're going through this black hole with them and everything.
Lxnny: 47:07
Like it's just this yeah it's beautiful and the moments of silence Like I think that's always like important too.
Pat Junior: 47:14
Yeah, those space silent moments were intense, yeah. And I think the more. I'm sorry to jump in, but I feel like moments are the moments of silence. But there there's, like when I noticed that even when they go off course to go to, they chase the drone, or when, uh, cooper, is when man tries to steal the, the spacecraft to go back to earth or go home or whatever the case is and Cooper is having to manually dock the ship to the space station. The music it didn't feel very scary.
Pat Junior: 48:02
It felt adventurous, but it also there was this sense of safety, even though there's this wow like moment going on and I think he's about to do this shit. What are you doing? Knocking?
Taylor D. Adams: 48:20
Endurance rotation is 67, 68 RPM. Get ready to match our spin with the retro thrusters. It's not possible.
Lxnny: 48:27
No, it's necessary with the retro thrusters.
Pat Junior: 48:30
It's not possible, no, it's necessary. You see this pattern of him being a father beyond just his kids, because in that scene Bran passes out while he's trying to dock the ship, and then she wakes back up. And it reminds me of when I'm a kid and my mom is driving somewhere and I fall asleep in the car, but I wake up at my destination and I'm a kid and my mom is driving somewhere and I fall asleep in the car, but I wake up at my destination and I'm OK. And so that, just him being behind the wheel, like it's, like no matter what I'm- not, he's got it.
Pat Junior: 49:01
Yeah, he's got it Like there's like the reflection is in the music as well, you know. So, yeah, like just the thread of the music. Like I said, Dang, that's got chills. Like Hans and Nolan are the dynamic duo, that scene was nuts.
Taylor D. Adams: 49:23
I'm now wondering like how many G's were inflicted upon you when your mom was driving?
Lxnny: 49:29
Right, right, I'm like upon you when your mom was driving. I'm like dang that scene was crazy.
Taylor D. Adams: 49:37
I think it's really interesting, pat, when you brought up just the different instrumentations that Zimmer uses, combining old and new, because that basically is this movie. We're seeing this kind of cyclical time nature. It could potentially be a time loop kind of movie. We're not quite sure. But, at this point I don't question time, travel movies, it's just like yeah, just do your thing, man, that's it, that's all you can do. No one's going to have the answers to this problem. So do you guys have a favorite moment or scene from this film?
Lxnny: 50:13
I mean for me, like again. The thing that made me hit you up was like at the end, when he finally gets to see her again, you told him I like farming. I mean, it was me, Murph. How was your ghost?
Taylor D. Adams: 50:36
I know people didn't believe me. They thought that I was doing it all myself, but I knew who it was.
Lxnny: 50:55
nobody believed me, but I knew he'd come back and like not only is he able to, you know, see, like, oh, wow, like they figured it out. You know what I mean. And not only it's like wait, oh, my daughter did it. Oh, word, they figured it out. You know what I mean. And not only it's like wait, oh, my daughter did it. Oh, word, okay, dang, that's that's. You know, that's my baby girl. And then it's like oh, wait, she's still alive. Like, oh, like, okay.
Lxnny: 51:20
And then like the moment to where it's like one like that combination of like he's saying like the last time he saw her she's like nine. Now she's like 109, you know. She's like done all these great things and like here they. The last time they spoke she was mad at him, so, like he didn't even like it's like you never, they never got that. Like closure, if you will, um, and then, like they're coming together, she's pretty much like yo, like you helped me figure it out. Like he, he don't even know like what type of time she's gonna be on. When he sees her, like she could just be like ah, you're like she's 100 or not, she could be seen. I'll be like yeah, just get out of here. That could have been the whole scene where she's like throwing like medicine at him and then he's just like I did all this for nothing, like, but it wasn't that. It was like hey, I figured out the things. Like I took everything that you taught me within the nine years that we even had together and it allowed me to do this for the world. And then it's like I understand why you did it like you and here's another mission for you. You know what I mean. Like I, it's like he got this like solace of, like forgiveness, like a level of like being proud, because it's like dang, like I, I did it like you know, like you know, my wife would be proud, like she was the one like so and she like did what we felt like she could have done.
Lxnny: 52:38
And then you get there because in the back of your mind you're like dang, like so and so, stranded out there, like ah, like should I, yeah, but then it's like I feel like I should just go back because this whole world is different. And then you get that confirmation from your daughter, like hey, yo, I know all this is fine and dandy, but we still kind of need to figure out that planet. All that data is good, like, go out there and go get her. You know what I mean. You don't even need to see me die. You don't Like I got my family here. We had this moment.
Lxnny: 53:06
You continue to go do what you gotta do and it's like that you leave, just like like ah, like just throw in a chair, like just am one, like I am gonna go find her, like I'm gonna, if I have to bring her back here, like strapped to my back, like on a rocket, if I have to, like that's the type of energy his daughter like gave him and you can see it at the end of the movie to where he's like I'm so happy she told me that, because I don't even want to be here just like. It's not even in his nature anyway. So it's like he literally stole a ship. You know what I mean. It's like the whole, the way it ends. It's like, yep, I'm out of here, let me get this bag. Come on, let's get out of here. Yeah, I'm going to get her like so this that that scene right there of just chef's kiss so it was more of like like so.
Taylor D. Adams: 53:49
So as a, as a dad, and you're thinking about kind of like that scene, how it feels almost like the child is like forgiving the parent or giving them permission to do something like is that, is that something that, for whatever reason you, you gravitate toward because of those feelings?
Lxnny: 54:12
yeah, because like it's you could tell, like when he first made the decision to even leave that a part of him, like it hurt him, because like she, like that was his, like, like obviously he had a son right and you know, obviously you know with your kids, especially as males, you think that the son is going to be whatever, whatever. But in reality, like, whichever kid just like happens to. It's like I always tell people it's like Jeannie Buss and Jerry Buss, like he had all those sons but like Jeannie was the one Like from if you watch Winning Time, like you could tell Like you're trying to make all these other people stick, but she's the one like Murph was the one for him. So it's like your road dog. The person that you really feel like is the image of you is pretty much like mad at you, like doesn't understand, like that what you're about to go do is like genuinely, really solely so she can just see another day. Like you know she doesn't know that the dude just told you in the corner that like corn is about to go extinct in a week. You know what I mean. Like she doesn't know that the dude just told you in the corner that like corn is about to go extinct in a week. You know what I mean. Like she doesn't know that she's nine, but you just heard that as a dad, so immediately you're thinking, like you know, you're looking at her, like in two years you might not be able to just eat a decent meal period, so like I might not ever see you again.
Lxnny: 55:23
But like if it means having to go out here and do this, like I'll do it, so like being able to come back still having those feelings. You see the thing of your son pretty much like giving up on you. And you see the video of your daughter pretty much like giving up on you. And they stopped sending videos. So like your only knowledge is that they might hate me. Still, yeah, like, but I just know I'm back. So to get that closure is like man, man. It makes you feel like you made the right decision as a parent, which you thought was the right decision. But like hearing your kids pretty much like give you a diatribe of like everything you did was right, like you might have been, like you said, feeling uneasy as a father and like not really knowing and figuring. You're trying to just figure it out. Like dad, you figured it out out. Continue to go do what you're doing, yeah so, yeah, it was, it was beautiful.
Taylor D. Adams: 56:11
Yeah, no, I get that, pat. What about you? What would be your favorite moment from?
Pat Junior: 56:14
this. Um, I well, I'll say on that I I feel like this is just my opinion. I feel like they found closure when he was in the tesseract, when he finally told her how to create that, like how to harness gravity to get all of the remaining humans off of Earth into that space station. That's true, that's just my perspective, yeah that's true.
Pat Junior: 56:38
Because when he came in, you know, and saw her, they were all smiles and because they knew all of this happened because they were communicating with each other while he was in the Tesseract. And it's crazy how they had so much so they had their own language. They communicated through Morse code, something he taught her as a kid to be able to use when they were older, so they had their own language that they communicated. So I feel like that's where they found their clothing.
Lxnny: 57:12
Yeah, I feel that that's true.
Pat Junior: 57:14
Just from my perspective, but I would say my favorite scene is with Romilly, when he was struggling in the beginning in the ship when they were in space. This gets to me, cooper, this this.
Lxnny: 57:33
Millimeters of aluminum, that's it, and then nothing Out there for millions of miles won't kill us in seconds.
Taylor D. Adams: 57:42
You know that some of the finest solo yachtsmen in the world don't know how to swim. They don't know how they go overboard and they're done. We're explorers. Right, this is our boat.
Pat Junior: 57:59
And then he took the headphones off and you listen to it and it sounds like rain and you hear the wind. It feels like you're back home and I feel like that was metaphor. Metaphor for like no, this is your environment. You, you train to be here and I, so the. The closure of that scene is when they go to miller's planet. They're there for a couple of hours, but it's really 23 years yeah, and they come back and romley is just like he's super chill.
Pat Junior: 58:30
Yeah, he's just like you know, in the beginning he was like I struggled, like I was gonna try to dream those years away, but he was like I couldn't do that and he's just this completely you can, you can tell he's now. He's just this completely different person and I feel like he grasped.
Pat Junior: 58:48
He probably rest, he probably wrestled with it a little bit, but I feel like he grasped what cooper was explaining to him and like no, I do belong here yeah and I I feel the sense of that is like he cooper, is, um, you kind of feel that in that parent teacher conference where he's like I know my kid has farmer scores. But he's more than that and unfortunately I feel like his son's character just stuck with. I'm going to be a farmer and that's okay.
Lxnny: 59:21
I say unfortunately because I feel like he had way more potential.
Pat Junior: 59:25
Murph was like she was already like no, I'm not not doing it, I'm not doing that, yeah, and so she went, you know, above and beyond to to do what she did, but he always had I feel like Hooper was a guy to carry that sense of like confidence, which I felt like, to a degree, uh, this movie helped him come up, come out of his imposter syndrome to a degree, because in the beginning he's having those nightmares about those flight tests or whatever that he was doing and settled to be a farmer.
Pat Junior: 1:00:01
But he's like no, this is my opportunity to do what I've been training to do, nice and I think, as an artist too, it speaks to you. Do this for a certain amount of time and you're like man, I wish I could be able to do all of these different things touring and traveling and all of the things that an artist would do. But I feel like if you really stay the course, as he did, you end up getting to those positions and you're able to perform. You know S tier, you know whether, whatever it is, you're doing as an artist, because when they, when they were trying to stop man and they finally got back, like he was built for that moment, all the years of experience and he, I think in. Like I said, I feel like this journey or this event, adventure, shed him of his imposter syndrome because he was built for that moment. You know what I mean.
Taylor D. Adams: 1:01:05
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the way I've. I had only seen this movie twice. I saw it when it first came out. I saw this movie when it first came out and then, yeah, I saw it earlier this week to prep for our chat, and one thing that kind of really stood out to me was this idea of dust and the fact that dust is what's left behind, it's us. And when you, when you were talking about um tom, who kind of uh, becomes the farmer, uh, right, takes over the family business, like, and you juxtapose that with murph, I kind of look at it in the way of tom is kind of stuck and almost consumed by this dust, this past that's here and there. Meanwhile, murph is learning from it, is using it to kind of move forward. And so when I think about kind of that idea for you guys, how do you hope you're remembered, when all you are is dust For you guys, how do you hope you're remembered when all you are is dust.
Lxnny: 1:02:10
Honestly, like for me it's like taking the thought process of a Murph, because like one thing that's in that movie is like Tom, like his way of thinking. It shows, like in a very direct way, like how dangerous that can actually be. Because if you think about, like how consumed he was with like yo, we got doctors coming to the house telling you that like pretty much like you're gonna die in like a year and a half if you stay in this house, your son's xyz. You're doing this, you're doing that. It's so.
Lxnny: 1:02:42
It shows the difference between like he like his dad went to a whole different planet for the idea of like trying to save his kids. It's like bro, they're just asking you to go to a different town, to a motel, like, and you're so stuck and like stubborn on what you think should be happening and what you think reality should be, that like you can't even see that like one of your sons already died and like somebody's coming in here telling you that your other son might die and your wife is looking at you, like we're also sick and like you can't, you're so blinded by your like, doubt, fear anger yeah yeah, it's like we're gonna stay here and just keep like shoveling dust and like eating this, pretty much like so it's like.
Lxnny: 1:03:27
It's like that way of thinking can, if you want to feel like you're that piece of dust, like you'll just end up staying there and being that piece of dust, like I'm gonna be on the ship gone and I don't and I'm sorry that like I don't have it's cynical to say in my, in my way, but like I just don't want any person like that to like stop that trajectory, because like there just don't want any person like that to stop that trajectory, because there are people that are in the world that are thinking like Murph, that you can surround yourself with, that have that thought process of even if it's not the same dream we're all trying to go attain that dream. You can stay stuck in that dirt if you want to, or you can figure out ways to continue to stay out of it. You just have to like put one foot in front of the other. Like you said, like everybody's timing is different, if you just stay the course. It's about staying the course like marathon, like you got to keep it going in this realm. So for me, like that's the way I think about it.
Lxnny: 1:04:23
Like you can be two different types of dust. I'm going to be the dust that's on the pod, that's in the plant, that's like, ah, we got to make sure to keep this to take it to the next planet. Like, I'm going to be that dust. If I'm going to be a, piece of dust.
Taylor D. Adams: 1:04:38
So after you're long gone, you kind of want to be known as someone who kept going.
Lxnny: 1:04:51
Even if it's not to like the realm of, like everybody in the world, I just want it to be some sort of like paper trail to say, like he left something for his family and for people behind him, to where, like, you don't have to know about it, but the people that's directly under him, they understand the web and the trees.
Lxnny: 1:05:05
To where it's like I'm setting you up and leaving you with something. To where, like, whatever you decide to do, I don't care where. It's like I'm setting you up and leaving you with something. So we're like, whatever you decide to do, I don't care if it's you want to take this, you know, money from this account and become a physicist and go to college, that's what we going to do. If you want to take this money from this account and, like, you have a great business plan and a great business proposal, yeah, we could take some of it and try to to see it and actually like, see what's up with that, like, but I want it to be something laid out on paper, because in this world, if it's not written down, notary on paper that says, like this is what you got as far as that legacy yeah, I think that.
Taylor D. Adams: 1:05:41
I think that's a really interesting difference too. That I've been thinking about for the past couple years too is like there is a difference between the world and your world yeah, exactly, and thinking about that personal effect. I think that's. I like that a lot, pat. What about you? What do you when you're dust man? What are they gonna say about Pat Jr?
Pat Junior: 1:05:58
it's twofold, one, two. I guess quote myself RIP ain't really peace if you still got potential, like I don't want to die empty everything that I could do, imagine, dream of. I don't want to be a dreamer in a graveyard. I think that's number one. And then simply put number two I want to be truly in the most epitome, or I guess in the epitome of, or in the most truest form I can be, a reflection of God's love. Whatever that looks like.
Pat Junior: 1:06:46
That's just what I want to. I want people to remember me most, for he was truly a reflection of god's love thank you guys, so much for coming back on and talk about this man.
Lxnny: 1:06:57
You had a blast yeah, man, yeah, my interstellar is it's a great movie, like it's uh, especially I don't know. It's crazy when you talk about time. It's like that with dunkirk as well, like that's a another movie. That's interesting.
Pat Junior: 1:07:09
And Interstellar is more than 10 years. That like I'm getting old bro.
Lxnny: 1:07:14
Facts, ah, facts.
Pat Junior: 1:07:16
That is a super fact and it just goes to show how ahead of its time it was, because when I watch it it's like this came out 10 years ago, yeah. So yeah man, so yeah man. Shout out Chris Manolis again.
Taylor D. Adams: 1:07:35
Thanks. Whether our goal is to leave behind a foundation for the next generation or to exit this mortal coil spent of all of our creative energy, finding what we're living or dying for is a simple but not necessarily easy realization to come by. Some folks spend most of their life trying to figure out what's most important to them. Others figure it out before they even turn 18. And some of us are almost afraid to admit what we truly care about, fearing that we won't be able to manifest it into our lives. But I think all we can really do is try our best, and that's got to be worth something. A huge thanks to Pat and Lenny for chatting with me today, and an intergalactic size thank you to you for tagging along for the ride. Before you go, please check out music by both Lenny and Pat through the links in the show notes below. Pat actually dropped a new EP today called Broke it Evidence 2, so go take a listen. If you enjoyed the show today, please go ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast platform of choice, and if you happen to be listening to this on Apple Podcasts, please leave a rating and review. It gets us noticed by more awesome people like yourself If you want to help our show grow and maybe get some access to cool perks in the process, please consider backing us on Patreon. For more info, you can check out the show notes or visit patreoncom.
Taylor D. Adams: 1:08:59
Slash film nuts Our theme this season, is brought to us by J Mac, our artwork is designed by Modongwa Subuhudi, and all episodes of Film Nuts podcast are produced and edited by me, taylor D Adams. If you want to get in touch, you can email filmnutspodcast at gmailcom or follow us on Instagram and TikTok at filmnutspodcast. And don't forget to join the Nuthouse Discord community absolutely free by checking out the link in the show notes as well. Thank you all again. So much for joining us today, and until next time I hope all your ghosts teach you well. Thank you all again. So much for joining us today, and until next time I hope all your ghosts teach you well. Take care.